Yesterday, the Sustainable Living Show with host Jon Butts interviewed the President of the Weston A. Price Foundation, Sally Fallon Morell, and myself on a wide variety of health and wellness topics.
Included in the one hour conversation is dialogue on the travels of Dr. Weston A. Price, the dangers of high fructose corn syrup, why sustainability means having animals on a farm, why raw milk is the best nutrient dense food for growing children, and how cloudy thinking and morning fogginess is caused by a nutrient poor diet.
The best part of the interview is when Sally debates a couple of die-hard vegetarians who called in live, on the air!
For those of you who weren’t able to listen to the interview live, I’ve included a podcast for you to listen to here or download to your iPod or MP3 player.
What part of the interview did you enjoy most? What did you think of the back and forth debate with the folks who called in to the show?
Sarah, The Healthy Home Economist
I appreciated when one of the guys at the station underscored the point that we need animals on the farm & what are we to do with the animals – also that there is a drastic difference betw. CAFO’s and what WAPF promotes. I was a (fish eating) veg for 21 years (for the same reasons as the women who called in) & had the arrogance to think that we humans can figure out the proper combo of foods/supplements that will feed our bodies the same way animal products can. Can we truly trump Mother Nature?? WAPF is what made me reconsider my approach as well as the realization that if I have survived cancer (in ’03) & I have 2 boys to be healthy for, that will not be as a veg, eating lots of processed foods. Anyway – I think an emphasis on what a sustainable, closed loop farm is all about is essential in steering the valid points made by WAPF folk. And if the animal protein deprived persons brain can’t wrap itself around those points, well, so be it ~ not a lot one can do about that. 😉 The book “Born to Run” by Christopher McDougall talks about our evolution into tool making, noting that our brains needed serious protein in order to develop to the point where we could make effective tools. A plant based diet would not have done that. As WAPF believers, we are ethical omnivores & this approach to food consumption & preparation is what is needed more in our world. But I’m not going to twist someones arm into agreeing with me. They have their own barometer for what normal & healthy feel like. What I know is that I, as well as my fiance who was a vegan for 7 years, am still noticing problems with my health most likely as a result of my diet choices for the majority of my adult life. On the right track now though & Antonio has “cured” his crohns on a GAPS diet!
Great show! I thought one of the fascinating points was regarding the concern about mercury in seafood and that two things help protect against this: healthy gut flora and glutathione, and that raw milk is the best source of glutathione.
I’ve been trying to figure out where the mp3 is at. Can anyone tell me how to download a Mp3 so I can hear the show? Exciting info.
Listening now….I cannot wrap my head around folks who hold animals up to the level of people. Thanks to the WAPF, Sally Fallon Morell, and to you, Sarah, for presenting the world with a different paradigm: responsible, humane, environmentally sound methods of raising animal foods to compliment whatever plant foods we are able to obtain for our families. Keep up the good work!
I tend to think they might actually be lowering themselves to the animals level, sadly.
kristy, the I-5 cow situation is so awful, it reeks for so many miles before you see it! But, we also have our wonderful happy cows grazing alongside the Pacific up and down Highway 1–and I like to think of them in those moments. Marin Sun Farms is my go-to for all animal products (and i use all of their stuff on my cooking show too) as they are committed to transparency and sustainability in their process.
Interesting that Sally mentioned that butter was also a good alternative to Raw milk. I’ve been having a hard time getting raw milk. It’s not that it’s not available. It is just that every time I contact the dairy farmer here locally I never get a contract mailed or emailed to me. Has anyone else had the same issue getting raw milk or a contract for a share?
I’ve had trouble getting a contract here in Manassas, VA…I’d have gone with two farmers for raw milk, but one insisted I agree to pay an unlimited amount of vet bills if required, and the other, whom I visited and liked, hasn’t returned my two calls so I can go and sign. I’m not getting advice from local WAP members, either.
I used to pick up milk at a drop in Centreville. I found the group originally through the Real Milk site, but they don’t seem to be there any more — perhaps they are more cautious these days. If you are interested, reply here with your email address, and I’ll drop you a note with their contact information.
Thank goodness. I thought there was something wrong with my communication skills. It’s a relief to know others have the same issues. I did go through the real milk site and that is where I got the info. I live in Odessa Texas, but thanks for your reply.
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“When you pay the [animal’s] food bill you don’t mind [killing it]!” I love that! Go Sally! Most of those animals would never even exist without farms, so I don’t know what the animal worshipers are worried about.
Thanks for sharing, Sarah. I really hope that vegetarian woman actually does read the WAPF articles on the China Study. She seemed to think that we didn’t have anything to back up our stance. Hello! WAPF is all about researching and teaching..
I thought the comments about the Bible’s command to take care of the earth and the creatures on it was interesting. In California, we take many drives up Interstate 5, and pass by 2 very large cattle lots. Not only is the smell of those cows noticeable for miles before you even reach them, but they look so pitiful; instead of grazing on grass, ‘wagging’ their tails, they lay down bored, in 3 feet of their own manure. As we drive by plugging our noses, I comment to my kids, look at those poor cows; they are not “happy cows from California” like the cheese commercials proclaim. Their meat is not good to eat because of the way they are treated.
Kristy –
I know the huge feedlots you are talking about. Here is a trick for your next trip. If your car heater/air conditioning has the option to switch to recirculate the air, do that at the first whiff or the first site of that place. Leave it on recirculate for a few miles after you pass. We usually do that and then as soon as we get back to good, fresh air again, we open both passenger side windows for a minute to replace all the air inside the car.
For those of you who have not had the dis-pleasure of passing by this place, I can assure you that it would be the last straw if you were still on the fence about spending the extra money for pasture-raised beef. I could not take a chance that my beef came from that wretched place.
Hi,
I’d love to listen to this but can’t figure out how to actually download it for my Ipod; I am only able to listen to it in streaming format. Could someone please explain this to me?
Thanks,
Kelly
Hi Kelly, it’s been downloaded so many times already that SoundCloud is only allowing streaming now … A good problem to have 🙂 Sorry about the inconvenience.